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I’m sure most of you have heard of Westboro Baptist Church, notorious for their website (www.godhatesfags.com), and for their loving habit of picketing the funerals of people who die of AIDS, or who are military personnel, or who fall afoul of WBC’s standards in some other way.

But sometimes…. just sometimes, when a group like this pulls a stunt that they think is deeply meaningful, they end up doing something so hilariously brilliant (wrong, sick, or otherwise) that it belongs on South Park.

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Well, I just put my newest article online. It’s called “Chasing the Justificatory Goalpost: Public Justification and Religious Beliefs.”

Basically, I argue that there’s no obvious reason to think that the rules liberals set up to exclude religious convictions from our political reasoning should give us any reason to think that religious convictions should be excluded at all – unless those same liberals engage in goalpost shifting, which they do.

Check it out here.

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In 2007, 138 Muslim clerics and scholar put together the document, “A Common Word Between Us and You.” There’s a website dedicated to the project here. It is essentially a response to the message of Pope Benedict XVI in September 2006, which set Christianity clearly against Islam, and depicted Islam in an unfavorable light.

According to “A Common Word,” Islam and Christianity share the “Divine Origin,” the “Same Abrahamic Heritage,” and the “two same greatest commandments,” and so really we’re not that far apart after all.

A number of Christian organisations and individuals have responded very favorably to “A Common Word,” as illustrated here. But Not John Piper. Here’s what he had to say in January 2008:

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In recent years – the last decade in particular,  there’s been a significant increase in the prevalence of – and publicity given to – new skeptical biblical scholarship that seeks to overturn and undermine traditional pictures of Jesus and early Christianity. The Jesus Seminar and Bart Ehrman are just a couple of examples – and like other examples, they have been met with scholarly critique. According to the majority of New Testament scholars, the Jesus Seminar (for example) is simply not credible. But in addition to critique, they are also meet with enthusiastic embraces from some circles.

But why the recent push for this type of thing? Why the attraction of writing a new critique that seeks to undo established understandings of the New Testament and the Christian faith? Well, one reason is suggested by New Testament scholar Craig Evans, when interviewed by Lee Strobel:

The problem… is there are so many people pursuing doctorates, writing dissertations, pursuing tenure, and trying to get published that there’s a tendency to push the facts beyond where they should go. If you’re hoping to get on the network news – well, news has got to be new. Nobody is going to get excited if you say that the traditional view of the Gospels seems correct.

But if you come up with something outrageous – that Jesus’ body was eaten by dogs, for example – then that warrants a headline. Or if you say that there’s a Gospel just as valid as Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, but it was suppressed in an early Christian power play, well that’s news.

He’s right of course. No critique of the Jesus Seminar or Bart Ehrman, no matter how absolutely rigorous or successful, will ever get the publicity that the scandalous stories of the tabloid skeptics get.

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The novel-turned-movie The Golden Compass has apparently become a huge flop for New Line Cinema, and the director Chris Weitz is pretty unhappy. Apparently the movie “tanked so badly that the second and third installments are not going to be made.”

A very likely culprit is the anti-Christian theme of the book, apparently admitted by the author (Philip Pullman) himself, announcing an intention “to undermine Christianity.” Who would have foreseen it – a holiday children’s movie that (according to the source at the link) trashes the Old Testament and isn’t a smashing success?

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A while back I posted on the fact that the median income earning household in New Zealand literally cannot afford the median priced house.

Well, it gets better. In today’s newspaper (Otago Daily Times) we read that NZ homes have now become literally the least affordable in the entire world, based on NZ incomes.

The findings come from a survey of the world’s six most expensive housing markets.

Demographia, the international survey business run by Hugh Pavletich, of Christchurch, and Wendell Cox, of the United States, released its fourth annual report showing New Zealand had slipped drastically on an international scale.

The United States, Australia, Britain, Ireland, Canada and New Zealand were studied and the results revealed house hunters here are in the most hopeless position, earning so little, yet facing astronomical property prices.

Wages are so low and house prices are so excessive that it takes 18 years and six months of a household’s entire annual income to afford a home before food and living expenses, Demographia found.

That’s 18 years and six months of not eating or having electricity, telephone or running water, pouring every single cent of income into paying for a house. How does that compare with the other five most expensive countries? Like this (these figures are from the front page of the print edition):

New Zealand: 18 years, 6 months

Australia: 17 years, 9 months

Britain: 14 years, 1 month

Ireland: 9 years, 6 months

USA: 8 years, 3 months (This is where we plan on moving to)

Canada: 7 years, 9 months

We can’t wait to get out.

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A couple of days ago I bought a copy of Uncensored magazine. It’s basically a conspiracy theory magazine, which is published here in New Zealand. It looks pretty slick:

The image is too small to read, so here are the headlines on the left of the cover (I’ve added my comments in square brackets to some of them):

“Fluoride: A Mind Control Agent from Nazi Germany”

“The Safe Alternative to Mammography” [Let me guess: It's called "breast cancer"]

“Do Vaccines Really Work?” [Oh great, now all we need is an unstable conspiracy theory nut with children to buy a copy of this and let them get sick.]

“The Inconvenient Truth About Al Gore” [Well, maybe there's a silver lining here after all]

“The Surgeon Who Removes Alien Implants From People:

“The Satanic Cult that Rules the World”

“Is Australia… a Corporation?” [No, it's a country.]

“What Chemtrails really are”

“Medieval Paintings Depicting UFOs” [That's right folks, apparently famous medieval paintings, unbeknown to us, contained UFOs in their backgrounds.]

The byline of the magazine, appearing at the top of the cover: “Challenging the Drivel of Mainstream Media.” Somewhere an irony meter just exploded.

I know what some readers might think. It’s a joke. After all, there’s the Weekly World News, right? Inside this magazine were a couple of things that suggested this. There was a promotion for a Youtube video clip alleging the discovery of the skeletal remains of a 36 foot tall giant humanoid, and an obviously humorous advertisement for evening classes for men, on telling the difference between the laundry basket and the floor, and “toilet rolls: do they grow on holders?”

Out of curiosity, I emailed the magazine’s editor:

Please don't take this the wrong way - it is a totally genuine question. I have just bought my first copy of uncensored (issue 10), and I have to know: is it serious?

I know that there are prank publications out there, like the weekly world news. I see that some of the stories here really do look serious (I've just read the stories on AL Gore, for example), but the cover is full of stuff about the world being ruled by a Satanic cult, about UFOs in medieval paintings and the like. Also, inside there's a clearly non-serious advertisement about evening classes men. There's also a brief comment (in what *appears* to be an endorsement) of a youtube clip about the discovery of a giant (36 ft) human skeleton, which simply would not be kept secret for any plausible reason if it were true.

So please - is the magazine serious or not?

Soon after, I got a reply:

Hi Glenn

Please don't take THIS "the wrong way": You have to make up your own
mind. Do your homework. Use the magazine to go do some research if
you think anything warrants it. There is some humorous stuff and some
very serious stuff. Rather like life itself. Hope this helps.

Jon Eisen, Editor

Upon looking through the magazine a few more times, I have to say: these people really are taking this all pretty seriously, as suggested by the reply I got.

Although I think some of this stuff is the stuff blockbuster movies like Consipracy Theory and The Davinci Code are made of, I have to say: Although I think it’s crazy, it’s good reading! Drop by their site, pick up a copy, and let them know Glenn sent you.

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A while back I posted a draft version of my paper “William Hasker at the Bridge of Death.” Since then, I’ve received feedback on the paper from both William Hasker and Nancey Murphy, for which I’m very grateful. As it turns out, I still think Dr Hasker’s theory of emergentism and post-mortem survival of the mind has a major problem, and I don’t think his criticisms change that, but they did help me to tweak parts of the paper.

The bottom line remains the same: A mind/self that is genuinely emergent on the brain will cease to exist if that brain ceases to exist, and if it is able to survive as a self/mind when the brain has ceased to exist, then it turns out not to be emergent on the brain after all.

The finished version of the paper can be found here, although as it is still an unpublished paper, comments and suggestions  for improvement are welcome.

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This morning at around 9am, the New Zealander who became the first person to stand on top of Mount Everest – and outstanding philanthropist – Edmund Hillary passed away after a heart attack, following illness.

Edmund Hilary on Mt Everest

Rest in peace.

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Gerald Gaus

Gerald Gaus

Gerald Gaus is a liberal political philosopher. He’s the author of Justificatory Liberalism. Here’s the background info:

Modern political liberalism (from John Rawls onwards) is big on the concept of “justification.” Before you can bring a policy or idea into the public square and presume to use it in the creation of public policies, laws, etc, it has to be justified to other people. You shouldn’t impose upon people without justifying that imposition to them. Gaus – with a little help from Christopher Eberle – distinguished between several kinds of justification (Eberle helpfully came up with the terms).

1) Closed Justification. First there’s “closed” justification. In this approach (which resembles the approach of Rawls), a policy or idea is only properly justified if it’s acceptable in light of what another person already believes. It has to be compatible with their existing belief set. But this will never do, because some people believe crazy or terrible things (e.g. racists, solipsists etc), and we shouldn’t be forced to come up with policies acceptable to everyone’s beliefs. People hold beliefs based on ignorance, prejudice, faulty reasoning, and so forth. Gaus sums up his objection to this approach: “it loses its character as a liberal doctrine, for little, if anything, is the object of consensus among reasonable people.”

2) God’s Eye Justification. Then there’s “God’s eye” justification, where a policy or idea is justified just if it reflects the truth – the way things really are. The problem within a liberal context, of course, is that liberal approaches are supposed to be compatible with pluralism, where people don’t agree about what the facts really are.

3) Open Justification. Thirdly and most promisingly, Gaus proposed open justification. In open justification, you don’t have to show that your policy or idea is compatible with what a person already believes. In open justification, your policy or idea is justified if it is compatible with what another person’s beliefs about what types of thing count as evidence, combined with evidence and critique of their existing beliefs, would commit them to. In other words, if you propose a policy that presupposes a particular belief that your fellow citizen does not share, but which – were his beliefs against your view subjected to rigorous critique, and were his criteria of what counts as evidence brought to bear on the evidence for your position – he really should share, then your view is justified to him, whether he will admit it or not.

Elsewhere (in my PhD thesis), I summed open justification up like this:

Eberle is correct to describe Gaus’s approach as one that idealises away from what a person actually believes and desires and towards what they would hold if they were better informed, but it is absolutely crucial to Gaus that this idealisation is only moderate. While Gaus is willing to think of justification in terms of whether or not our policy would be justifiable to our fellow citizens once we have hypothetically attributed to them relevant information, Gaus does not want to hypothesise or idealise all the way to omniscience. What he has idealised to is to the facts and factors that a citizen would be persuaded of in light of what he considers to count as evidence or reasons. This is because those beliefs are the main features of a person’s current belief system that will be used to decide whether or not to accept new beliefs. Rather than simply ask what Alf does believe and desire and then restrict our advocacy of any policy to policies that are compatible with that – after all Alf might be ignorant, intellectually lazy, unduly biased or any number of other things – we should ask what Alf’s beliefs about what count as evidence should commit him to.

And for good measure, here’s an important clarification I also made:

Important to reiterate is the fact that open justification thus described does not require that all of our fellow citizens can bring themselves to accept the policy that we are advocating. Unanimity has nothing to do with it. In fact, a policy might be unanimously accepted, but not openly justified, since all the citizens who accept it might have good reasons not to accept it that they are unwilling or unable to face up to.

This is promising because it recognises an obligation on your part to respect those that you wish to be subject to your favoured policy, but it does not make you a slave to unreasonable stubbornness or ignorance.

OK, now the scene is set. I think there is at least one crucial flaw in this model of justification, but it would be off-topic for me to pursue that just now. Here’s where things get messy for the “justificatory liberal” when it comes to policies motivated by religious beliefs. It’s a standard feature of much modern political liberalism that policies that require religious justifications are ruled out as inappropriate for the public square. The justificatory liberal’s reasoning would be that such policies lack open justification, since religious beliefs themselves lack open justification. Even if the religious believer is justified in holding his beliefs, he cannot justify them to others in any way that satisfies liberal criteria.

But is this really true? Remember, in order for my policy or idea to be openly justified, I don’t have to successfully persuade everyone (or anyone) to accept it, or persuade them that it is openly justified. A policy or idea is openly justified to a person (i.e. my fellow citizen) if that person’s beliefs, subject to rigorous critique, combined with what they take to count as evidence, should lead them to accept my policy or idea. And certainly, many religious believers think they have met that criterion. Just consider the range of arguments for theism and for the truth of Christianity, for example. Now, you might not believe the conclusions of those arguments. Fine. But all this means is that you are at loggerheads with those religious believers over whether or not their ideas are openly justified. Argue with them about that if you must. And they, doubtless, will in the process seek to persuade you that they really have done their justificatory duty.

Now watch carefully as Gaus performs his acrobatic manoeuvre. Once again: Open justification is not the same thing as actual persuasion. This seemed clear when Gaus spelled out his improvement on Rawls, however in order to deflect a possible objection, his position momentarily switches from endorsing open justification to requiring actual persuasion itself, and he thus shifts the goalposts. Christopher Eberle proposes the following model of social engagement, a model he calls “the ideal of conscientious engagement”:

  1. Seek to arrive at a justification for L that is sound given one’s own system of beliefs and values;
  2. Refuse to endorse L if one does not have a good justification for it in one’s own systems of values and beliefs;
  3. Seek to convey to others one’s reasons for coercing them;
  4. Endeavor to arrive at a public justification for L – one that connects in the appropriate way to the beliefs and values of one’s fellow citizens;
  5. Pay attention to others’ objections to, and criticisms of, one’s reasons for coercing them and aim to learn from them;
  6. Refuse to endorse any L that violates the integrity of one’s fellow citizens.

[Source: Eberle, Religious Convictions in Liberal Politics, 104-105.]

Premise 4 is easily construed in a way that means that we should seek open justification for our policies and ideas, and try to persuade people of this justification. But Gerald Gaus will not allow this, if it means allowing policies that have a relitious rationale. He responds to premise 4, but when he does so he changes hats and ends up becoming John Rawls after all, abandoning open justification in favour of something much more demanding:

I confess that my intuitions about the requirements of respect are better expressed by Master Yoda: “Do or do not. There is no try.” It is all very well to try to make me see your point, but if your point is one that I have no good justification to embrace, then in the end I am simply being subjected to your power, however well-intentioned and conscientious you may be.

[SOURCE, “Religious Convictions in Liberal Politics,” Philosophical Reviews]

It may well be that this is a response to Eberle, but what cannot be missed is just how much Gaus has raised the hurdle, or to use another appropriate sporting metaphor, he has shifted the goalposts. It appears that if a religious person does meet the criteria of open justification with respect to me (which does not require that I be successfully persuaded), the new goal quickly becomes successful persuasion that I have such a justification, which is not at all the same thing. In other words, even when religious people follow the liberal rules, the liberal still rules their policies and ideas out, on the grounds that the liberal just isn’t persuaded that those ideas are correct.

Why not just simplify the rules and say that religious ideas and policies that depend on them should be ruled out because liberal authors don’t accept those ideas?

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